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Photographer:DDGHANSA [View profile]Title:HamburgAdded:Jun 06, 2020
Captured:IMO:5141146Hits:1,809
Photo Category: General cargo ships built 1950-1959 (Over 3000gt)
Description:
Builder: Bremer Vulkan, Bremen-Vegesack, Germany
Year of build: 1954 (Yard no. 831)
Measures: GRT 9007,56, NRT 5277,93, DWT 9440, LOA 163,91 m, breadth 19,49 m, draught 7,98 m, 10560 bhp, 17,5 kn
History:
HAMBURG (1954 -1967)
Owner: Hamburg-Amerika-Linie (HAPAG), Hamburg, Germany
ORIENTAL WARRIOR (1967 - 1972)
Owner: Malaysia Overseas Lines Ltd., Monrovia, Liberia (1967 - 1971)
Owner: United Overseas Export Lines Inc., Monrovia, Liberia (1971 - 1972)
25/05/1972 ORIENTAL WARRIOR suffered a fire and explosion when she was 40nm Ne of Daytona Beach. She was later scuttled on the 1st October 1972 as an artificial reef.

From the collection of my grandfather. Source and date unknown.
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IMO:5141146
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Henning Brauwers on Jun 09, 2020 19:03 (24 days ago)
Some additional Info in respect to signal flags : On this pic ( http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2895482# ) you can see where the signal flags were located if necessary to be shown. A thin wire with blocks for the flaglines from the mainmast to the funnel top. Same arrangement for some radioantennas. In ports where shorecrane had to be used the wires are slacked down on deck.
Manfred on Jun 09, 2020 18:31 (24 days ago)
Plenty of examples if you look for it:
Hapag`s DORTMUND leaving Hamburg with the flag of destination: Indonesia, even if the next port might be Rotterdam.
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2808948
libertyshiplad on Jun 09, 2020 18:11 (24 days ago)
Will just add that having started this discussion,it now seems that this was a local/company custom.
All very interesting.
Apparently no other photos on Shipspotting spring to mind.
victor radio74 on Jun 09, 2020 16:35 (24 days ago)
Let┤s close the argument, pax vobiscum
MO Roy on Jun 09, 2020 16:04 (24 days ago)
Let's not forget this site should be a pleasure to visit, and yes it is and we can learn from each other.
Vissiting should in no way raise your blood-pressure.
Once again stay healthy shipspotting friends.
Cheers,
Roy
Christian Herrou on Jun 09, 2020 15:38 (24 days ago)
May I also have to say "Ease down Manfred"
As many said here, yes I know it was in use sometime and especialy aboard of passagers ships to fly destination flag but firt of all who's sure about white and red flag on this black an white picture ?
victor radio74 on Jun 09, 2020 15:16 (24 days ago)
Ok Manfred guess you are right,in case this is the Japanese flag,anyway I also dind,t like your prepotent attitude.
this is the oppinion of and old retired seaman,that is on this site on a hobby basis
Witout acrymony,stay healthy
Manfred on Jun 09, 2020 15:01 (24 days ago)
I am relaxed, I just do not like the attitute: What I don`t know or have not heard of cannot be.
Having hoisted and lowered myself uncountable numbers of destination flags before leaving Hamburg on various ships even through the early 1970s it is amazing that some people just will not accept this former custom over here.
Rgds
victor radio74 on Jun 09, 2020 14:49 (24 days ago)
Hi Manfred,indeed,GUESS the Japanese flag has some red colour,please relax
MO Roy on Jun 09, 2020 14:25 (24 days ago)
Ease down Manfred,
My post was never intended to annoy you.
It's just my own experience and I have been already "a few" years around.
Cheers and stay healthy,
Roy
Manfred on Jun 09, 2020 14:15 (24 days ago)
@victor radio74:
This is not a GUESSING site!
And this is the company flag for you:
https://www.flaggen.de/Flagge-HAPAG--Hamburg-Amerika-Linie--80-x-120-cm-Qualitaet-Marinflag.html
victor radio74 on Jun 09, 2020 13:58 (24 days ago)
Good point Christian ,althoug flag code India doesnĘt make sense, but why we assume that this is the Japanese flag ? Cold be also a company pennant
Manfred on Jun 09, 2020 13:55 (24 days ago)
To some commentators on here:
PLEASE READ PREVIOUS COMMENTS BY HENNING, BOB AND MYSELF.
If you haven`t been into shipping at that time, have never been on a ship at all and/or are not aware of a tradition concerning flags in other countries you are NOT in a position to doubt it.
@Arnes: Nobody said this ship is going DIRECTLY to Japan, it just indicates the general destination, meant for onlookers, tourists, kids with interests in shipping, ship spotters, watchers at the Welcome Point on River Elbe, and of course for own passengers on board (max.87 on this ship)to be proud and excited about their oncomming voyage. After passing the Welcome Point outbound this flag was lowered of course.
@MO Roy: You have been in Japan with a ship in that time and know what it looks like over there? Please note my location post, thank you. If you never have experienced this custom so please do not doubt it but be glad you have learned something.
@Christian Herrou: no such flag signal in Hamburg, not a proper size for a signal flag (Code India means changing my course to port!) and not a mast location for a signal flag.
SIGH.....
Christian Herrou on Jun 09, 2020 12:53 (24 days ago)
Maybe it's not a Japan flag but the international code flag India (I) ?
davidships on Jun 09, 2020 02:29 (25 days ago)
Looking at the other photos, there is only one signalling mast, and this seems to be the foremast - forward of that are only a pair of derrick goalposts.
MO Roy on Jun 09, 2020 00:04 (25 days ago)
Normally the flag of the country being visited is in the mainmast, SB-side.
Suppose this picture is therefore taken in Japan.
I never experienced raising the flag of the next country of visit in the foremast, and it's definetely not a custom anymore.
As the Japanese flag is not in the foremast it's not applicable here.
Cheers,
Roy
Arnes on Jun 08, 2020 23:07 (25 days ago)
I can't imagine this vessel sailing direct from Hamburg to Japan, she must have called other ports on the way, e.g. Singapore or Hong Kong. Then one of those flags should be in the mast?
Bob Scott on Jun 08, 2020 19:22 (25 days ago)
Pieter: My 1968 photo of NIEUW AMSTERDAM departing Rotterdam has her flying the French tricolour from the foremast, since she was calling at Cherbourg en route to New York so perhaps they had to have a third flag ready to hoist. It was commonplace for passenger ships (and some others) of ALL nationalities to fly the national flag of their next port of call.
pieter melissen on Jun 08, 2020 16:22 (25 days ago)
Bob, the regular passenger services of the HAL only went from Rotterdam to the USA, so it easy to leave a US and a Dutch near the flag post and change them if required...
libertyshiplad on Jun 08, 2020 15:35 (25 days ago)
Thanks Bob,was it Company policy,captains whim ??
Bob Scott on Jun 07, 2020 19:37 (26 days ago)
Note the Stars and Stripes being flown as the Holland American Liner STATENDAM leaves Rotterdam bound for the USA in 1968 http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2305840
libertyshiplad on Jun 07, 2020 17:50 (26 days ago)
A mystery.Totally agree with Pieter,(a whistle blown at sunset and flags all hauled down together including the courtesy flag !).
Have not come across any other photo on Shipspotting showing this.
Manfred on Jun 07, 2020 15:26 (26 days ago)
The location is definately Schuppen 74a, Kaiser-Wilhelm-Hafen, Hamburg as seen from Leichterkanal-Bridge between Shed 73+74. The top of the large administry building between Shed 74+75 is seen above the ship`s bow.
Kampnagel cranes plus sun and wind from portside, nothing new.
Best regards, Manfred
Henning Brauwers on Jun 07, 2020 14:46 (26 days ago)
it is usually . But for a german ship in a german port in this case it does not make sense
pieter melissen on Jun 07, 2020 11:14 (26 days ago)
I always thought that the flag in the foremast was a courtesy to the country visited at that particular moment, and was only to be raised (approximately) at the moment of arrival in the territorial waters, only to be taken down after leaving that country. (and during the night)
Henning Brauwers on Jun 07, 2020 10:58 (27 days ago)
No idea if that custom was widespread. Anyhow lot's of old customs in relation to flags are gone. i.e. in my active time at sea it was normal routine to raise the relevant flags at dawn and take them down at sunset. Not anymore it seems
libertyshiplad on Jun 07, 2020 07:07 (27 days ago)
Interesting Henning,never seen that before,was it just HAPAG or did other companies have the same custom?
Henning Brauwers on Jun 07, 2020 06:53 (27 days ago)
The japanese flag on the mast indicates the destination country for the next outbound voyage. And the shore cranes are typical for the Port of Hamburg at that time. And since it's a Hapag vessel it would be berthed in the "Kaiser Wilhelm Hafen"
pieter melissen on Jun 06, 2020 20:32 (27 days ago)
fortunately it was built in Bremen...
Kyle Stubbs on Jun 06, 2020 19:08 (27 days ago)
Even if it had been noted two times, it could just be the ship: the Hamburg of Hamburg!
Clive Harvey on Jun 06, 2020 18:54 (27 days ago)
Beautiful ship.
DDGHANSA on Jun 06, 2020 17:39 (27 days ago)
You're right. The information relates to the ship, not the port.
pieter melissen on Jun 06, 2020 17:29 (27 days ago)
Is it noted two times? The ship's name is also Hamburg...
DDGHANSA on Jun 06, 2020 17:18 (27 days ago)
Maybe, but on the back of the photo is noted: Hamburg.
pieter melissen on Jun 06, 2020 16:46 (27 days ago)
Perhaps showing the Japanese flag means that this picture was not taken in Hamburg?
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