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Photographer:Gerolf Drebes [View profile]Title:Ise MaruAdded:Apr 08, 2021
Captured:November 02, 1971IMO:5164198Hits:1,617
Location:Hamburg, Germany
Photo Category: Tankers built before 1970
Description:
empty tanker inbound Hamburg,off Welcome Point, Schulau
built 1962, gross tons 39364,
sold 1972 and renamed KAPETAN MARKOS N.L.
Vessel Identification
Name:Kapetan Markos No.l.
IMO:5164198
Technical Data
Vessel type:Oil Products Tanker
Gross tonnage:39,169 tons
Summer DWT:74,364 tons

Additional Information
Status:Dead
Build year:1962
AIS Information
AIS information: N/A
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Manfred on Apr 13, 2021 13:44 (7 days ago)
Hi Gerolf,
thanks for confirming Schulau. I went through your other shots from that spot and the shore line behind is the same of Hanskalbsand, this one was just on a murky day so it looks further away.
Rgds, Manfred
Cisco on Apr 13, 2021 00:01 (8 days ago)
On the evidence presented thus far I think we can be confident that this ship is Ise Maru on her way up to Hamburg to be handed over to new owners in late 1971.

The bridge front is quite unusual with the inboard 'cut-out' on the boat deck. The only other ships I have found it on are a pair of ( much smaller ) Yuyo Marus ( #5 and #8 )built by Hitachi in the 50's.
Gerolf Drebes on Apr 12, 2021 20:07 (8 days ago)
The place is definitively Welcome Point at Schulau.
That was the place I went shipspotting at that time with a few exceptions(port of Hamburg, Kiel Canal) But for that foto I am sure.
Gerolf
Manfred on Apr 12, 2021 15:06 (8 days ago)
@pieter:
Yes, this can very well be, pre-sale inspection docking.
Owner`s change in 1972, all I have.

@miraflores:
I did not doubt you, it was just meant as a suggestion after having spent 30 years on River Elbe, every day.
miraflores on Apr 12, 2021 14:26 (8 days ago)
@Manfred,
I spend some years of my life in that region, so I know what I had writte in my comment.
pieter melissen on Apr 12, 2021 14:13 (8 days ago)
Manfred, it could also be that she has already been sold to her new owners and is heading to a yard for the hand-over.
Manfred on Apr 12, 2021 14:05 (8 days ago)
@miraflores:
Gerolf should hopefully remember where he took this photo.
Maybe you are happier with the location of Strandweg Blankenese somewhere with Neßsand to the right of the ships stern and Cranz to the left in the distance overlooking the Mühlenberger Loch?

@Cisco:
Before a tanker may dock at a yard in Hamburg she HAS to be empty and gasfree, have never been an issue here with special berths available. For example in 1964 Howaldtswerke Hamburg alone repaired 750 ships, whereof 356 were drydocked, at least one third were tankers. 14 ESSO-tankers were retrofitted with bulbous bows at the late 1960s...and so on.
Have a look here:
http://www.ralf-thorein.de/html/jahreshefte.html
And... some repairs maybe could not have been delayed until Japan came insight?
Best regards, Manfred
Cisco on Apr 12, 2021 08:21 (9 days ago)
Manfred, why would she not being up to drydock in Hamburg?
1971 .. Japan still had lots of currency controls in place and were far more interested in getting money into Japan than spending foreign currency overseas.
Also there would have been the issue of tank cleaning and gas freeing before drydocking after a northern Europe discharge.

That said we once -1964 - discharged crude in Siberia Dock, Antwerp, and then tank cleaned - slops went into an old Petrofina ship - and gas freed alongside before drydocking in Siberia Dock.

So yes Ise Maru could have been going up to drydock.
miraflores on Apr 12, 2021 07:03 (9 days ago)
@Manfred

That means that the location is not Welcome Point in Schulau
pieter melissen on Apr 11, 2021 20:36 (9 days ago)
Gerolf, I just sent you a (not to be posted) photo of the ISE MARU, which clearly shows the same funnel markings lay-out as the ship in your picture.
Gerolf Drebes on Apr 11, 2021 20:14 (9 days ago)
I agree with you folks, it is definitively not Sansinena,
I habe found a photo of her in my collection, the superstructure in the middle is completely different.
Unfortunately a cannot post it, as I do not own the negative only the b/w foto.
Gerolf
Manfred on Apr 11, 2021 18:32 (9 days ago)
@Cisco: With HDW and Blohm & Voss two excellent yards on hand with big floating docks available, could be, why not. Checked my yard sources, but no info about repair arrivals though.
Cisco on Apr 11, 2021 18:21 (9 days ago)
Manfred, it could mean that she is outbound from the BP(?) refinery at Wilhelmshaven after discharge. Why would she be going up to Hamburg in ballast?
Manfred on Apr 11, 2021 18:09 (9 days ago)
@miraflores: means what?
miraflores on Apr 11, 2021 17:38 (9 days ago)
The Elbe river is at Welcome Point in Schulau at least 1-1,5 km wide, the horizon/background in this photo is at least 5 km away.
Manfred on Apr 11, 2021 17:09 (9 days ago)
So when do we see the change of the title to ISE MARU-IMO 5164198 being clearly identified by the Tanker King (Pieter) and little ol´ me?
Gerolf Drebes on Apr 11, 2021 06:21 (10 days ago)
Hi Cisco,
unfortunately I have only 2 negatives of that vessel and when I scanned the negatives I only found Sansinena during that time, but there are missing vessels. Unortunately you cannot read the name of that vessel because of the light against that vessel. the 1971 Sansinea it could not be, at that time no more ships with that look a few still which bridge midships, but mainly Chinese vessel.
Gerolf
Cisco on Apr 10, 2021 23:20 (10 days ago)
Gerolf, I'm thinking that somwhere in your collection yo may have a photo of Sansinena labled as Ise Maru :)
I have an LSI here that has Sansinena departing Kharg Island May 14 , 1971, for Wilhelmshaven so she was trading to northern Europe at about that time.
Interstingly it also has a Sansinena II launched at Baltimore May 18, 1971, for the same beneficial owners - Union Oil of Calfornia, very similar tonnage, US flag.
Bjørn Knudsen on Apr 10, 2021 15:47 (10 days ago)
https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?213745
Manfred on Apr 10, 2021 14:03 (10 days ago)
Found this article with a good photo showing that she definitely is not SANSINENA:
https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archives-the-oil-tanker-sansinena-explodes-in-los-angeles-harbor-20181002-htmlstory.html
Cisco on Apr 10, 2021 00:41 (11 days ago)
LSI has Ise Maru departing Europort May 7th 1971 for the Persian Gulf.
Tom Walker on Apr 09, 2021 19:57 (11 days ago)
A 13th. Dec 1971 copy of LSI records the ISE MARU as sailing from Tobruk on Dec 4 for Finnart which puts her in the frame geographically. It also records the SANSINENA as sailing from Ras Tanura on Nov 20 for Savona.

Best Regards
Tom
pieter melissen on Apr 09, 2021 16:04 (11 days ago)
Manfred, point taken, however, the picture was taken in 1971 and the picture of the ISE MARU that I have, shows the funnel I was describing below. So I was wrong, is it not the Kapetan, but the ISE MARU under her original name.
Manfred on Apr 09, 2021 15:31 (11 days ago)
Pieter, when I put "or possible sister" it gives me time to look it up to make sure she has or not or from another yard.
pieter melissen on Apr 09, 2021 15:14 (11 days ago)
Manfred, the ISE MARU had no sister....so Kapetan Markos NL is what we are looking for.
Manfred on Apr 09, 2021 15:09 (11 days ago)
Looks like KAPETAN MARKOS N.L., IMO 5164198 or possible sister:
www.fotoflite.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/348335.jpg
Gerolf Drebes on Apr 09, 2021 14:37 (11 days ago)
but which tanker, if not the Sansinena ??
That is, what I noted, when I was young and took this foto with an old camera.
Gerofl
pieter melissen on Apr 09, 2021 06:24 (12 days ago)
Cisco, you are absolutely correct. The funnel markings here seem to show two white bands at the top and the bottom, and something circular on the darker section between the bands. She is definitely one of the larger ships of that era, but not the Sansinena.
Cisco on Apr 08, 2021 21:40 (12 days ago)
Mistaken identity? The Sansinena that blew up had a foremast and two goalposts in line abreast along with a quite different bridgefront. I thought something didn't look right.
Cisco on Apr 08, 2021 21:35 (12 days ago)
One of three sisters , two of which met sad ends.
Her sisters were Torrey Canyon and Lake Palourde.
pieter melissen on Apr 08, 2021 19:04 (12 days ago)
Among the largest tankers of her vintage, but unfortunately exploded in California in December 1976, killing 9 crew members.
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