Frederick Lykes - IMO 5120661
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Gerolf Drebes on Jan 12, 2021 18:39 (4 days ago) | |
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Thanks George for the useful infos.
It is really good now to have a such good helping community on shipspotting. Gerolf |
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George.Schneider on Jan 11, 2021 05:56 (6 days ago) | |
| Oh, and PS: This is certainly a U. S. government photo from about 1940, and as such, is public domain. Perhaps the editors will allow this to stay, since the discussion is so much a portrayal of the "Science" of tracing historic photos. |
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George.Schneider on Jan 11, 2021 05:46 (6 days ago) | |
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I’m not sure if I’m clarifying anything, or muddying the waters. I have this same image in an 8x10 from Lykes Lines, and the name clearly shows as HOWELL LYKES on the bow. The name is so crisp it’s possible it’s been added. But I do have another 8x10 of the same ship taken by Karl DeVries in Capetown in the 1950’s, with the name just as crisp and in identical lettering. The outfitting of the ship is basically identical, but her stack has been shortened, there’s a bit more house on the “02” deck, the lifeboat is in gravity instead of crescent davits, and one really timely change: she has a radar mast. Note that the photo posted here (and mine with the name on her) have only a short RDF mast and nothing else. My photo is credited to Geer Studio in New Orleans, but since it’s obviously a pre-War shot, Geer probably just “re-mastered” the photo for modern use by Lykes. Her designation, incidentally, wasn’t properly C3-S-A1 or -A2, although they were all basically the same. When these came out, the designation system hadn’t become as detailed, and she was simply called a “C3-Cargo (S)” with the “S” indicating she had steam propulsion. There was a (D) for diesel propulsion, which included the ship converted to the first U. S. escort carrier USS LONG ISLAND and later served as the immigrant/educational ship SEVEN SEAS. Federal Shipbuilding delivered four of these steam units to Lykes. In addition to the three mentioned (FREDERICK, HOWELL, and ALMERIA) there was also DOCTOR LYKES which was picked up by the Navy as USS HAMUL (AK 30 / AD 20) and never saw any further merchant service. If the name HOWELL LYKES on mine is dubbed in, I’d have to bet on this being a photo of FREDERICK LYKES, since she was the first delivered to them and so most likely to have been photographed professionally for the Maritime Commission who produced the original pre-war photos. |
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Kyle Stubbs on Jan 10, 2021 17:40 (6 days ago) | |
| It seems like the US Government provided a lot of support for the shipping lines to build vessels and advertise them, immediately prior to WWII. Since there wasn't much opportunity to use any of that before the war broke out, I've found a lot of the material was reused post-war, since the ships were all very similar. Many of the postcards for Lykes, Moore-McCormack, Farrell Lines, etc, show pre-war vessels but were apparently still being widely distributed up into the fifties and sixties, so it wouldn't surprise me if they still had some in 1971. |
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Gerolf Drebes on Jan 10, 2021 15:26 (6 days ago) | |
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Thanks Kylie,
the question is, has the Lykes company kept an old foto (Doctor Lykes was sold to the USS Reserve fleet in 1941) for so long in their archives, that they could send it to a shiplover asking for fotos in 1971. Kind regards Gerolf |
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Kyle Stubbs on Jan 09, 2021 21:11 (7 days ago) | |
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I imagine could be a pre-war photo of any of the 4 C3 that were in Lykes Lines, probably edited on purpose to obscure the name for application to all of them. I have a photo postcard in my collection of the DOCTOR LYKES of 1940 showing a vessel in exactly this configuration.
My assumption would be that the extra mast at the stern was a postwar modification to many of the C3's. The motorship variants of the C3 built by Sun Ship seem to have had the mast from build, so the others may have been rebuilt to match their cargo-handling performance. Navsource has this same photo on the page for the USS HAMUL, ex-DOCTOR LYKES, ex-SEA PANTHER, identifying it as that vessel. http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/03/0320.htm |
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Gerolf Drebes on Jan 09, 2021 15:50 (7 days ago) | |
| Hi Ilhan and Börn, thanks, I guess it is Frederick Lykes, Almeria Lykes was lost in WW2 and Howell Lykes lookes different |
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Bjørn Knudsen on Jan 09, 2021 15:23 (7 days ago) | |
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LR/IMO No: 5120661
Year: 1940 Name: SEA HOUND Type: Cargo ship Launch Date: 24.2.40 Flag: USA Date of completion: 4.40 Tons: 7773 Link: 1735 DWT: 12902 Yard No: 163 Length overall: 150.0 Ship Design: C3 LPP: 141.8 Country of build: USA Beam: 21.2 Builder: Federal SB & DD Co Location of yard: Kearny Number of screws/Mchy/Speed(kn): 1ST-16.5 1940 FREDERICK LYKES - 65 HARBOR HILLS - 65 KINGS POINT BU Kaohsiung 21.6.71 [Li Chong Steel & Iron Works Co Ltd] |
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Ilhan Kermen on Jan 09, 2021 11:52 (7 days ago) | |
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Hi Gerolf
possible you've find this Frederick Lykes photo http://www.navsource.org/archives/30/13/301303602.jpg very similar with mystery Howell Lykes a little different..But maybe she modified with a mast on the astern https://www.ebay.com/itm/rp02959-Ex-Cargo-Ship-Howell-Lykes-as-Grand-Valing-photo-6x4-/391122183844 Another one Almeria Lykes https://www.armed-guard.com/mf3953.html |
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