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Emmanuel.L [ View profile ]

Captured:

Apr 19, 2014

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Location:

Valletta, Malta

Photo Category:

Cruise Ships And Liners Built 2001-2010

Added:

Apr 20, 2014

Views:

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Image Resolution:

3,652 x 1,829

Description:

Leaving harbour after a day stay in Malta.

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Builder:

Fincantieri Marghera - Venezia, Italy

Manager:

Carnival Plc - Southampton, U.k.

Owner:

Carnival Plc - Southampton, U.k.

Class society:

Lloyd's Register

Vessel Type:

Passenger (cruise) Ship

Gross tonnage:

84,342 tons

Summer DWT:

10,939 tons

Length:

285.3 m

Beam:

32.25 m

Draught:

7.9 m

Photos:

934 photos by 277 photographers

Last known position:

36°8’52.48” N, 5°21’58.13” W

Status:

Speed, course (heading):

0kts, 212.2° (0°)

Destination:

- Location:

Vigo

- Arrival:

23rd May 2024 / 04:00:03 UTC

Last update:

15 minutes ago

Source:

AIS (ShipXplorer)

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person

Yes Ted, when I started out back in 1979 the technical superintendents in the office were all very experienced master mariners. I've since moved on from chartering and management into maritime data and clearly things have changed.

Nonetheless, I'm not going to be put off looking forward to my cruising. I feel far safer on a ship than I do on an aeroplane.

person

@Phil
of course we don,t know about economics and such or at least not much. Unfortunately ships are now run more from shore,then will say 40-50 years ago.
But also in the offices is the tendency not to hire experienced sailors anymore but usually only guys who sailed barely 1-2 years,,made most their engineering licenses or nautical and then in rather young years transferred into offices.(The youngest supervisor I ever met was 28 with total of 3.5 years sailing and 4 years school !!!) Reason why was explained to me once long time ago ,,because managers don,t want to have experienced peoples for that in a office,because they would object to certain practices or tell them,,that way can not be done on ships.
In all my time as Master I had only once a technical supervisor who came to the ship and said,,Hey capt what you need,,all others came and said,, we have to do this and that and thats the only way. Experience is NOT wanted in offices in that respect...simple as that

person

I know what you are saying Ted and I have a great deal of respect for those who work aboard ships too. I've been around 30 years in the business and from day one I remember seafarers complaining that the bods in the office had no clue. That may well be true to some extent but it works both ways. What do seafarers know about economics, markets and how to run a succesful business? I'm not decrying anyone, but many of todays shipping execs did actually spend time on board and learning. Perhaps it's a shame that more didn't..

Brgds
Phil

person

I do have experience of this class of ship, and maintain contact with friends who still sail in them. Regardless of underlying issues any shipowner or crew with a couple of brain cells to rub together will maintain passenger areas in showroom condition, it does them no favours to do otherwise. Presentation is the key, or as an old friend used to put it "bull**** baffles brains".
Whilst a better build may well be achieved (with appropriate supervision) in Korea, the big issue is as Capt. Ted suggests - design. Plus we shouldn't forget the 'benefits' offered to the shipowner for building in Italy.
What I fail to understand is that on this site there seems to be an underlying opinion among members that cruise ships are in some kind of elite league when it comes to design, construction, maintenance and crewing when often the opposite is very much the case. Most would likely have their illusions well and truly shattered if they knew what goes on behind the scenes.

person

@Phil,, the reference was more to the computers than the people.. Computers do not design them,,peoples do,,but those are today not anymore will say engineers who sailed by themselves.
I remember in 1978, the vessel Holstensailor by then rather small CPO then, builded the ship at Thyssen Nordsee (a serial of 6 I think) and we were the 2nd ship. The engineer in overall charge of the construction sailed with us
the first 2 month and had always a pencil and notebook in his hand (no digital cameras yet,,but he made now and then pictures too) I asked him once and he said,,I want to make the next one, he suppose to build no 5, I want to build a better one and eliminate mistakes.
Today you find in number 20 of a serial the same mistakes problems as in number 1,,because the computers say it,s ok,,
I had and heard never again something like that, peoples who have field experience and knew the finished product and improved it hands on.
Todays engineers might be highly qualified in their fields but most of them never sailed with them.

person

@Ted - You do of course realise that if ships weren't designed by people in front of computers (who incidentally I have a great deal of respect for..), there'd be no ships at all :-)

person

I take it that you have worked about this class, James? It's intriguing because owners continue to build cruise ships in Europe, and particularly Fincantieri, citing build quality as one of the reasons. Despite well-established Japanese and Korean yards generally offering superior build quality in the cargo ship sector, Cruise companies have largely shied away, even though newbuild prices are a little cheaper.

I imagine that 'fatigue' issues must also affect public spaces as well as technical ones?

Brgds
Phil

person

@ James
in other words,,nothing else than normal in the international maritime shipping,, crews dealing with issues while the vessel keeps going and the public has no clue whatsoever. That means not necessarily that it is automatic unsafe to sail them or with them. In that context, nothing new.
What can happen to paxers is of course a different consideration then with regular crews like we saw lately with some Carnival ships in the Americas and by that automatic becoming high profile cases. What is always behond me, for example what happened to that Carnival cruise vessel in the Golf of Mexico, that a vessel like that can loose all the power together. The outlay of the machinery and electrical components and her they are supplying the ship with power must be on those ships totally inadequate designed. Of course we know today all that ships are designed by peoples in front of computers and there is the norm : GIGA= garbage in / garbage out !!!

person

Actually nothing would be visible to passengers as passengers aren't permitted access to 'technical' spaces. This class are experiencing fatigue/cracking issues beyond what should be expected for their age, as regards delays, her mechanically layout allows for redundancy so that the show can (just about) be kept on the road whilst the engineering staff try and deal with the other dramas.

person

Build quality of what, exactly? Surely something would be visible to passengers even if it was general untidiness or noise and vibration? As for machinery issues, I don't recall her having any downtime in the past 3 years apart from shore delays caused by stormy weather during her recent refit.

person

My observation was based on both build quality and the effectiveness of the machinery, issues which affect much of her class and which are not visible to the passenger.

person

Yes, I do think that the vista and signature class of cruise ship are almost flawless, especially with the funnel design and shape of P&O and Cunard (and n my opinion, though some may disagree, Costa).

person

A basket case mechanically?

Given that around 60% of modern cruise ships are built in Italy, I guess that sentiment applies to all of them.

From my experience and that of many fellow cruise passengers, she is a beautiful ship with very little fault. We'll be travelling on her for a 3rd time later this year and can't wait!

person

I don,t know the inside of the vessel,, but from the outside she looks to me more or less the same as all other modern cruise ships,, square boxes to maximize passenger capacity.

person

@ James come off it...What has your Country built lately???
I suspect you just envy the Italians..Nothing more to it.

person

Best looking Vista class ship, even after all the additions done in later years.

person

Another block of white foam cut out to represent a ship.

person

Yes and like most objects of Italian design, she's something of a basket case mechanically!

person

Yes Shaun, I second that,she has a beautiful design.Italians have that certain something in design which is very evident in cars,furniture clothing etc. and as witnessed: ships

person

Lovely, one of my favourite ships in the whole of the carnival corporation.

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